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In need of adding a quick description for each weapon, but it will require to check the in-game notes about them. Shall be done later. Also I'm getting mixed up on which of Brionac or Gungnir is also mentionned at another point of the game... - Byakko

I hesitated putting the less used weapons (Vajra, Dainsleif...) directly in the article, but in the end I left them in separated articles, to have them listed in the Noble Phantasms category... --Byakko 19:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Just something I wonder, but are the weapons in GoB technically NPs or simply powerful weapons? Cuz AFAIK, NPs are supposed to be connected to a certain legend in order to be such and the weapons in GoB are just nameless weapons that Gil collected and that became NPs much later.

That's pretty much correct, they're not known (yet) but they have the power of a Noble Phantasm. But then again, they do later become real NPs - Vajra is still Vajra, even though in his time it wasn't known as such. Since we do know what they are, I don't really see a problem calling them NPs. --Byakko 23:58, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Power Confusion?[]

It's noted that the power of a legend and by extension then a Noble Phantasm increases with age and renown and even then the age only provides a relatively small boost. Surely since they lack names Gil's NP barrages only have age on their side, but not the renown they earned in the hands of others. So how is it that weapons like that nameless spear that became Gae Bolg or weapons like vajra which would later be wielded by gods are considered stronger in his hands? And while I know Extra came out later, wouldn't the Houtengeki Gilgamesh has in fact be inferior to the God Force made Famous in Lu Bu's hands? Similarly so how is it, in the work that's more on case, Gil has Gram, the legend from which Excalibur descends and yet it only has a dragon fighting property, whereas Excalibur draws it's light from King Arthur's ideal, doesn't it? I'm sorry if I'm not making much sense, but I'm just not understanding the mechanic that allows Gil's vault of nameless Deus Ex Machina to be considered more potent than the world famous weapons wielded by heroes that succeeded him. Hawkeye2701 (talk) 04:01, November 19, 2012 (UTC)


Well, being honest, we're talking about the prototypes. Even if the weapons were used by other heroes or even gods, they are modified versions to fit them somehow. What I can use to explain my understanding about this is: the most modified version is most distant from their origin, because when you modify something, you not only change it's shape, you also change the power of it; and also, I'll use this part: the "deteriorated" newer model will generally always lose.
For example, Gram and Excalibur are completely different weapons inside Nasuverse, but Gram has the firing energy ability and the special dragon slaying attribute. However, Caliburn just have the firing energy ability. But, Excalibur is a prototype, after all, the fairies just created this sword and passed to Altria. So, in this case, is very logical that Excalibur is more powerful than Gram (the deteriorated version of Merodach).
Other example, Houtengeki from GoB and Houtengeki (God Force) from Lu Bu:
  • Houtengeki: It is a polearm with many different uses such as thrusting, swiping, pulling, parrying, and various others.
  • God Force: "...super weapon that had five forms in order to let the many martial techniques of Lü Bu bloom as he pleased."
See the difference? While the prototype Houtengeki have more uses than the four described uses, the newer model have only five.
I hope to have helped. ギルガメッシュ♛〟 15:08, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
But the source makes no mention of these "various other" uses. Presumably, Gil's Houtengeki is versatile by virtue of being a halberd, which can be used many ways, but is always going to be a halberd. God Force has six forms for six different fighting styles. One of these forms is, in fact, a halberd. I think the two Houtengekis would be of equal strength.
While we see many examples of older Phantasms being stronger, surely there's no absolute rule that an older version is automatically superior, right? Yes, Caliburn is inferior to Gram, but I don't believe it's because it's a newer model. Gram was Sigurd's strongest weapon, while Caliburn was Arturia's starting weapon. It's like comparing ALttP!Master Sword with Ultima Weapon from FFVI. What if Gil wielded Gram against Sigmund wielding Balmung? 
Note how Gilgamesh usually doesn't use the prototype of his opponent's weapon. The weapons would be of equal strength, and the opponent's experience would probably prevail. He did pull out Gae Bolg against Lancer in the Fate route, but only as one among a thousand weapons in a barrage attack, and the actual weapon in his hand at the time is a sword.
What makes Gil so invincible (other than his ability to launch a shitload of swords) isn't that he has the prototype of the opponent's weapon, it's that he always has the most effective weapon against his opponent. It just happened that Gram, a weapon Arturia was weak to, was an older version of Arturia's Caliburn. The rest is his ego talking.
66.245.199.17 23:48, May 29, 2015 (UTC)
While I appreciate your weighing in on this, it was actually fairly interesting, this is a two year old topic. By general policy I don't think we're supposed to reply to something that's been inactive more than a month. Hawkeye2701 (talk) 23:55, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Merodach[]

While I probably know the answer to this question, does Merodach have an appearance in the VN? Or is it just known that he used it without showing it? Zahadrin (talk) 04:32, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think he ever actually uses it even. I think it's when he's explaining the mecchanics of GoB, he pulls gram and then mentions even possessing it's prototype in Merodach.. I think now, I could be wrong. Hawkeye2701 (talk) 08:17, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Apparently I must correct myself, I read further down and it mentions his armour surviving the rebound of merodach. So I can only assume it was used without imagery. Hawkeye2701 (talk) 08:19, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Gram IS Merodach. The name Gram did not exist during Gilgamesh's time, he called it Merodach. After Gilgamesh died, Merodach got passed down into the era of Volsunga Saga, it became known as Gram. If you haven't noticed, Gilgamesh's NP's all have no name, but he gave token names to some of them as a tribute to Babylonian gods, like Merodach or Ea. Waifu slayer (talk) 00:55, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Then why the heck do we list that thing a gram and merodach as separate instead of merodach as the sword that would one day become Gram? Hawkeye2701 (talk) 02:15, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Dunno. The Gae Bolg prototype was listed as Gae Bolg, but Gram and its prototype (Merodach) were listed seperately. We should either stick to one format or another. Consider rolling Gram and Merodach into one, since even Shirou is going back and forth calling it Gram and Merodach. Maybe something like "Merodach - which later became Gram. Gram's legend then inspired the legend of Caliburn." Gist is that Merodach and Gram are physically the same sword (with different stories), while Caliburn is more distantly related. Waifu slayer (talk) 02:59, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Contents[]

Does the CCC Material guide indicate GoB contains prototypes for Fragarach and Avalon?

It can't. It could have contained Fragarach back when it was an unnamed sword, much like it has Gae Bolg, but the inheritance of Fragarach as one of the only phantasms that exists in the modern world pretty much removes the possibility of it existing in the GoB. As for Avalon, it's noted as one of the Phantasms not contained inside the Gate because its power is directly derived from Altria and is also a Phantasm that exists in the Modern World. Hawkeye2701 (talk) 01:07, March 28, 2014 (UTC)
Theoretical talk aside, the only new thing that CCC Material says regarding the contents of the GoB is provided here: Parameters and Skills #Collector. Furthermore, it isn't clear that the Collector personal skill applies to Fate/Zero / FSN Gilgamesh. --Fallacies (talk) 01:11, March 28, 2014 (UTC)


Fate stay night episode 19 around 8mins in he pulls out his gate to get ready to kill caster you can actually see a blade that looks tooo similar to fragarach. Check it out and tell me what you think.

How far can Gilgamesh use his Gate of Babylon?[]

In Fate/Extra CCC, Gilgamesh was able to take Hakuno 1,500 light years away from Earth. Was this the ability of Gate of Babylon, since I know it can be used for traveling purposes if anyone had seen the animated UBW route where Gilgamesh drops Shinji? Can Gilgamesh use the Gate of Babylon in space? Since I think Gate of Babylon’s power is also heavily dependent on the imagination of the user; when Angelica used Gate of Babylon, I think she used it much better as compared to Gilgamesh. If he wanted to, I was wondering if Gilgamesh can fire a large Noble Phantasms, such as Ig-Alima, from space to create a kinetic orbital strike; I have a hunch at least Karna can do the same if he was also summoned in the Archer class. The other leathal option is just to drag a person and send him off to deep space, but this is assuming Gilgamesh can reach that far. 

Road Of Babylon[]

The description at the beginning of the article mentions an artifact, power, ability and/or Noble Phantasm by the name 'Road Of Babylon.' Do we have any idea what exactly this is? Or is it just a comparison to the ancient city?

No. Just a single mention in side material. My bet is that it's the proper name of the spare key. EGGS (talk) 20:48, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Fate/Samurai Remnant Attacks[]

So, I've only seen one video of the Gilgamesh boss fight, but two things struck me, the first being the Rune Barrier Shield he uses as a block move, and the other is a Sword that explodes whatever it cuts, even empty space. Should I add these to the list of his treasures, or does the weapon he swings in F/SR look too much like Gram/Merodach to bother? And since it's not known where the Rune Shield comes from... Zahadrin (talk) 07:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I have yet to play the game, but the blocking thing looks to just be a generic thing they all have? Other than that, if the individual weapon has a distnct design and usage, adding it would be fine, but it looks hard to see any individual attacks. I assume he'll be playable in that upcoming DLC, so that might make looking at the model easier, if nobody as already extracted them anywhere. EGGS (talk) 18:08, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
I'll vouch for the barrier. The generic boss barrier is usually not actually visible--it's just a gauge, and after it breaks, the boss creates a visible pressure wave when it comes back up, but that's all. This "rune barrier" is clearly being actively used, and is bright gold with scrolling lines of cuneiform, just like the pre-activation of Melammu Dingir. As for the sword, it's tough, but if you zoom in here, it does seem like Merodach. The explosions are probably an interpretation of Caliburn's True Name Release.--獅子天 (talk) 21:11, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, there's two examples of the game of enemies having items with their own durability gauge, most have a break gauge, but Rider and Gil specifically have items with their own gauge, Rider's pauldrons when they're deployed in front and Gil's rune barrier, so they are distinct from the typical break mechanism of every other boss and enemy type.Hawkeye2701 (talk) 22:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
I'll grant that I agree, it does look like Merodach/Gram, but looking at the picture you shared closer, there is a miniscule line on the handguard similar to Excalibur or Caliburn (neither of which Gilgamesh has, of course) that could signify a different sword, or just as easily a graphics bug. Without anything to confirm it, I just kinda figured I'd label it as a different weapon till we had another answer, since Merodach and Gram are said to have similar effects to Caliburn, which is a "light that can burn away everything it touches", but we have an example of Caliburn's light, is a beam from it's tip outward that causes explosions. The effect of this sword is different, slashing and erupting into a flaming explosion. But, if it is felt strongly it is just Merodach or Gram, I can accept that answer too. I just figured I'd voice my thought process on the matter.
Also, if you watch a video of him generating the Rune Barrier up closely, and in highest resolution possible, it actually looks like it follows his hand when he gestures to guard. I just thought that was interesting.Zahadrin (talk) 02:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
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