Talk:Magic
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I still don't get what the Third Magic does. The explanation is only confusing me more. ^^; --Koveras Alvane 18:25, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
- Just keep it at "Materialization of the soul". With just that, you can guess that raw souls can't normally interact with the outside world.
- There's that other explanation about how a living creature needs a soul, a body and a brain to live ; the brain is what anchors the soul to the present world. You know how some characters can have some nifty regeneration skill that could revive them even if a vital part like the heart is destroyed (e.g. Ciel's original skill, before the Roa-paradox, worked just like that) ; well, destroying the brain would override that (thus if Arcueid had killed Elesia by destroying her brain the first time around instead of piercing her heart, she likely wouldn't be here in Tsukihime).
- ... And so, materializing the soul would allow you to override that restriction, it would prevent the soul from slipping away back to the Akasha and be purged in the cycle of reincarnation.
- Apparently that's a very tough thing to do. The line "Rather than the reproduction of a body from a soul of the past" is about how it's not a copy (you create someone else who happens to be just like the other guy in every aspect), but really the original soul that is materialized. Without it, a raw soul would just be recycled as it isn't anchored in the present world. It's not really creating a brain the soul could anchor to, it seems like it's making the soul so that it doesn't need to be anchored. A higher existence, on a higher plane, etc. A raw soul isn't a lifeform, but the third magic can make it easier to turn into something actually alive.
- It's said that the Great Grail uses an incomplete piece of the Third Magic to bring the Servants here ; well, with Servants, you pull out a raw soul (which just so happens to be filled with a copy of the Heroic Spirit) then you need prana to help them remain in the present world. They're somehow brought back, but they aren't alive ; the full third magic would make them "alive" (then you'd just need to give them a physical body). ... The mud of the corrupted Grail gives them a physical body, but still without making them alive.
- tl;dr a raw soul is just raw energy. If it's not anchored in the present world, it disappears and goes back through the cycle of reincarnation. The third magic turns them into something that is actually present, not just an interference, something that can interact with the present world. It's closer to being somethingh actually alive, hence a "higher existence". Just give it a body and it becomes a real person.
- It somehow allows a true immortality, better than Zouken's, because the soul doesn't get damaged in the process, it remains as it was supposed to be.
- ... I'll try and see if there isn't an article on the soul that could make all that understandable. --Byakko 19:11, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you. ^^ I've tried to summarize what I understood in this article, so please check if there is any mistakes there. ^^;; --Koveras Alvane 12:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- Just stick with the translation of the explanation that Ilya gave directly. They can't be stuck together like that.
hmmm...... No mention of the 6th magic from Melty Blood? Template:Unsigned
