Talk:Phantasmal Species

Is this supposed to be "Phantasm Race" or "phantasm race"? --Raijinili 14:09, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

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I notice that Blood-sucking Species and Fiendish Kind were added to this article. Now, I wonder if that's alright because, as far as I know, they are different kinds of existences from the Phantasm Races. --Libra00 05:16, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

They generally do fall under the definition of "non-human human creatures that are found in legends". Problem are Vampires that are classified as Blood-sucking Species, yet are basically (mostly) human. I'm going to mention this and link Blood-sucking Species to it's section in Vampires article to integrate the info spread across articles a bit better... --Azaghal 14:28, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Gorgon

Changed "one-eyed" to "snake-haired" under Gorgon. One eye would be referring to a cyclops. MidbossVyers 20:02, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, no. Nasu's version of the Gorgon is indeed a one-eyed monster. He also dropped the snake-hair thing. --Libra00 06:01, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

The reference is that one picture from F/HA where you see Perseus from behind facing Medusa in gigantic gorgon form : there's that glowing thing that looks like a single eye (also that symbol she forms with her blood when summoning Pegasus), and an enormous mass of "hair" that look like giant dreadlocks, apparently not actual snakes - but to begin with, Rider's hair were already compared to snakes. --Byakko 10:45, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I'd argue that, because while in her human form Medusa has two eyes and they are quite distnct in appearance, abuse of her inhuman strength personal trait would apparently transform her back to her gorgon form, which according to the logic shown here would give her one eye and make her many times the size and power she currently possesses, so who's to say that with this transformation her snake hair does not also become true through this change as the picture of Perseus standing off against Medusa clearly shows her with numerous serpent like projections on her form. 81.129.80.197 19:00, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Werewolf 

what does it mean, by Lugh Beowulf being able to transform into anything he wishes? he can transform into something else besides a werewolf? Vergilheartnet (talk) 15:49, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Beo is not a true werewolf. He is a Faerie (or a Phantasmal Beast very close to Faerie) who chose the werewolf form as default due to preference. In reality he is an  amorphous spirit with no true form. If necessary, he can morph into any creatures. Unlike beasts, he "fell from the heavens". 

Waifu slayer (talk) 16:35, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

so, which category of spirit does he belong to? a nature spirit? animal spirit? and since he can transform into anything, can he transform into a vampire or a true ancestor, anything at all? or just beasts within his capability 203.106.148.55 07:19, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

He's a Nature Spirit (a high level one at that, Nasu commented he has an aura similar to Arc). I think he's transformation is more shape-shifting rather than altering himself fundamentally. Beo the Spirit is still Beo the Spirit no matter what shape he is in. For example, he does not become human just because he transforms into a human. 

Waifu slayer (talk) 22:33, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Unicorn

The Unicorn whose horn was made into the Seventh Holy Scripture was not a Divine Beast. The horn became "holy" due to accumulation of ages.  The Unicorn was just a soul-devouring beast. 

Waifu slayer (talk) 00:32, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

hydra

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According to some guy with bad English, the series (Koha-Ace) describes summoning the Hydra as a Servant. Even if the series itself is a parody, I'd imagine that any lore it gives out is probably correct.

• Hydra was briefly mentioned in FSN!Berserker's backstory, Fate/Strange Fake where Player can summon it and Fate/Apocrypha, Kairi uses it as a potent poison to kill Archer of Black. The weird is that despite there are many different stories regarding the Hydra, it has 7 headed serpent and wings in that image.
• Also it's nice to hear Kohaku says you can summon a monster as servant hence we already know Manaka Sajyou summons The Beast in Fate/Prototype. But lolNasu won't allow that happen, just like Argon Coin...
• Medusa, Tamamo, Kintoki, Enkidu and whoever summons Hydra are able to communicate with it. Hydra can't speak human language but you can read it's mind to communicate with it, if you are Hydra's master.
• If Hydra summoned as servant, the class is pretty much classified as unknown at this point but Kohaku mentioned Hydra can be rider, beast or new class name.
• Hydra were pretty calm, Nero sitting on it. (Maybe it's because chibi version sort of)
• Syclla was mentioned by Enkidu, both come from same series, Fate/Strange Fake.
• "Why not summon Hydra as human servant?" and suddenly noodle incident because of that question.
• Nero send back Hydra to another dimension. Sandubadear (talk) 23:23, July 20, 2014 (UTC)

That seems to be from the guy who does the Fate/Apocrypha summaries, so I'd guess it's legit. It would be nice to have a more direct translation instead of a summary. I don't really know what "suddenly noodle incident" is supposed to mean, and it's sort of hard to tell what the bit about the Scylla is supposed to mean. EGGS (talk) 02:09, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Scylla, the water monster from Greek mythology. It's mentioned in strange fake as one of the Player's servants. Now for what he meant with "noodle incident" beats me. Sandubadear (talk) 02:14, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it's mentioned in the Strange Fake stuff that Scylla and Hydra can both be summoned by the Player, but what that has to do with Enkidu is lost on me, unless he features in Koha-ACE and brought it up. Heracles' legend involves the Lernaean Hydra which he slew, being the basis of his Nine Lives Phantasm, so if I had to guess, it's this Hydra specifically, as a specific legendary figure and not just part of the species that can be summoned. Kairi Sisigou does use the poison of one as an Anti-Servant weapon, so it must be potent as all hell, so they're certainly unique. As for why Nero is riding one, I have no idea. Course the fact that a monster can bbe summoned as a monster seems rather counter to the original rules, where some level of mortality had to be observed in those summoned, so bringing forth a monster as a monster (Unlike say Medusa or Chiron who appear in human form) seems a bit counter to what we've been told up until now. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 02:58, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

It is said that Nero upon her death was seen by believers to be on par with the Beast from the sea based on the book of Revelation. The beast was described pretty much like Hydra so I assumed that this was the reason why Nero was riding on it.(Nikonu (talk) 09:36, July 21, 2014 (UTC))