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Rendering the Aristoteles template pretty much pointless >_> --Michael Roa Valdamjong 14:38, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I figure that I will just turn it into a general Notes template instead. EGGS 15:11, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

The two trapped in blood?[]

Math: There are eight Aristoteles, of whom three have breached the atmosphere and were killed (Venus, Jupiter, Saturn), one was killed in outer space (Pluto), on has been on Earth all along (Mercury), and two are still operating after Gun God's death (Neptune, Uranus). That leaves one (Mars) to float in Pluto's blood... so who is the other one? --Koveras Alvane (talk) 20:42, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Logically there are only three known possibilities.  First it could be a Type Earth.  This is unlikely as the premise of Notes is that the Earth is dead.  Secondly and most chillingly it could be Type Sun.  There is nothing in Type Moon canon that disproves such an entity but also nothing to suggest it.  Which brings us to the third posssibility, Type Moon.  We know that Crimson Moon Brunestud set up at least one method of revival (the True Ancestors) and it has been stated in an interview that not only is Crimson Moon behind the state of the world in Notes but that he would have made an appearance at the end.70.128.99.172 00:24, November 11, 2013 (UTC)MudSloth 

I highly doubt it, but it could also be a Type-Ceres, a Type-Eris, or (even less likely) a Type-Nibiru. It's much more likely for it to be Type-Moon, though. It is worth noting, however, that if Nasu ever randomly increases the number of Aristoteles, they're likely to be from one of those dwarf planets (and whatever the hell a Nibiru would be considered). 50.142.159.67 09:08, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

lemme see if I understand[]

So those are simply "the strongest" being from their planet? Crimson Moon came to Earth and he just 'happened' to be a vampire, and he made others because he was dying. And there are the other Types who came to Earth after it was killed. Am I correct? Sandubadear (talk)19:27, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

You say "Happened" but as far as Typemoon canon goes, we get our concept of Vampires from the Crimson Moon, not to mention the fact that Vampire a lot of the time simply refers to a creature that lives off others eg. Zouken Matou is considered a Vampiric creature, but not the type of Vampire that the Church hunts. As it stands, the modern vampire in terms of Typemoon are actually fairly separate from Crimson Moon, himself being an entity more akin to an elemental and while his creations, the True Ancestors are more like him, their creations, the Dead Apostles would be the standard of "Vampires" as we know them.

As for your understanding of the situation, you're mostly right. Crimson Moon came to Earth ages ago, a sort of primordial meeting, but Type Mercury, otherwise known as ORT also came to earth ages ago and started converting the landscape to suit itself. It too is considered a "Vampire" despite being a giant alien spider. When the Earth was dying, several more Types appeared and were killed by the inhabitants. One was killed whilst in the Upper Atmosphere, its remains barring entrance for the ones that tried to follow.

Also, to clear up another point the Types aren't simply "The Strongest" in the typical sense, they are, like Crimson Moon, an elemental type creature, to the point where they are not considered to be naturally 'alive'. So that supernatural powers like the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, wouldn't normally affect them. That's why the things that it took to kill these creatures are immensely powerful in and of themselves, weapons like the Gun God's Black Barrel and Ado Edem's Slash Emperor.--Hawkeye2701 (talk) 21:43, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

The above answer is super muddled, with half confusion and half comprehension. 
Basically the Aristotles are the strongest creatures of a System, be it Venus, Mars, the Moon, or Earth. Originally, the Earth asked Type Moon to be the model for a race of powerful creatures that can rule over humans. The Crimson Moon agreed, and so the True Ancestors were born. The Crimson Moon at that was NOT dying, but as a smart creature, he left a backdoor for himself: he can be reborn through the True Ancestors. The Crimson Moon himself has a taste for blood, thus creatures modeled after him (True Ancestors etc) also have a thirst for blood. DAA's thirst for blood have a different origin though. 
And ignore the post above about Aristotles being Elementals. They are NOT. Elemental is a creature type of the Earth. True Ancestors are Elementals, but that only reflected Gaia's attempt to copy the Crimson Moon. 
As to the other Types, the Earth summoned them to eradicate humans. Type Mercury is the one around because he came early. Waifu slayer (talk) 05:59, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

I'll admit, having checked a few things, I see an error or two in my explanation, but it's not like I'm off by miles in any particular aspect, just the description of Types as Elementals and the the difference in Notes between the Red Sky and the Cloud Barrier. Other than that there's nothing wrong with my explanation and I think you're being pretty rude about it. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 07:42, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

You were only explaining like 3 things, and two are wrong. That is bad. You should have checked facts before correcting others, ESPECIALLY on the wiki. If you are so butt-hurt about being called out, then make sure your arguments are valid before posting.--Waifu slayer (talk) 15:19, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't correcting, I was explaining, and it was three TOPICS I was explaining in which there are two slight errors, hardly reason to tell someone to ignore what I said, all you would have had to do is point out those two errors and get on with it, but no, you decide to call my explanation confused and tell someone to ignore what I said. I'm not complaining about being corrected if I was mistaken, it's the way that you handled it that I take exception to. Hawkeye2701 (talk) 19:46, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

Bad explaination and incorrect information should be ignored. This is a wiki, not grade school. There is no cookie for participating and getting things wrong. The mistakes were glaring, and confusing to read.--Waifu slayer (talk) 20:04, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

OK.... One more question, why is Crimson Moon considered one of the Dead Apostles Ancestors? Sandubadear (talk) 01:40, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

Because alot of them see him as their leader/god, He is Altrouge "father", He turned Zelretch and Merem into Dead Apostles, Merem and Blackmore see him as their god and Ortenrosse was his first servant. Though i'm not sure who manages the list as with Primate Murder Altrouge is superior to even Brunestud yet she is listed lower than him and even one of her own bodyguards. if the Church mangaes it then they added him proably because he is the origin of the Dead Apostles which they hunt, if the 27 amange the list they may have him added as to honor their origin. Dead Apostles may have been created by True Ancestors however True Ancestors were created by Brunestud and at least 2 Dead Apostles were made directly by him Memor-X: Shoujo Ai/Yuri Rose Knight (talk) 23:14, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
The list of 27 DAA is maintained by the Church. There is some heirchical order to it, but mostly it is just the Church's "hit list" for dangerous blood suckers. Sure you can try to rationalize why Crimson Moon is in there, but stuff like ORT and Primate Murder really don't fit in there. At the end of the day, it is just a list of power creatures that suck human blood. Waifu slayer (talk) 01:45, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Can a Type be permanently killed if their planetary body is destroyed?[]

We all know that the Types/Ultimate Ones do not have the same concept of death (or any concept of death) as the rest of lifeforms in the Nasuverse, but is possible for them to die for real if their planetary body/system of origin was destroyed?

Has Nasu ever mentioned anything regarding this? It seems like might pose a way around the whole "no concept of death" deal, if they simply find a way to blow up or remove the Type's planet to prevent its existence from remaining. Or would that fail as well?SageM (talk) 04:30, 1 March 2024 (UTC)SageM

ORT has two types of immortality. Reconstruction and Regeneration. Reconstraction because he is machine-like. If you take out one of ORT's parts he can simply integrate it again as if nothing had happened. It's akin to someone decapitating you and you simply grabbing your head and attaching it once again. Then there's regeneration. As long as a single cell survives, it can regrow its entire body. In theory, ORT can be killed if its entire body is destroyed simultaneously, just like it's stated in complete material.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 10:32, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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